Newsvine
  • Welcome
  • Help
  • Report Bug
  • Conversation Tracker
  • Your Column
  • Replies
  • Friends
Type Comments Since You Last CheckedArticle Source Last Checked Stop Tracking All Clear Tracking All
Log In | Register
Close the Login Panel
Existing users log in below. New users please register for a free account.

New Users:

Existing Users:

E-Mail:
Password:
Forgot Password?
Please enter the e-mail address or domain name you registered with:
E-Mail/Domain:
Back to Login
Log Out
  • Top News
  • Local News
  • World
  • U.S.
  • Sports
  • Politics
  • Tech
  • Entertainment
  • Science
  • Business
  • Health
  • Odd News
  • More
    • Arts
    • Education
    • Environment
    • Fashion
    • History
    • Home & Garden
    • Not News
    • Religion
    • Travel
Visit Benno Hansen's column >>

BENNO HANSEN

Home Page
Alive in Copenhagen, Denmark
Articles Posted: 148  Links Seeded: 2212
Member Since: 2/2006  Last Seen: 2/22/2012

What is Newsvine?

Updated continuously by citizens like you, Newsvine is an instant reflection of what the world is talking about at any given moment.

Get a Free Account
Help
Fun Stuff
  • Your Clippings
  • Leaderboard
  • E-Mail Alerts
  • Top of the Vine
  • Newsvine Live
  • Newsvine Archives
  • The Greenhouse
  • Recommended Articles
  • Wall of Vineness
Put a Seed Newsvine link on your own site

Similar, but not copied, image found to breach copyright

Seeded on Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:02 PM EST
Read Article
technology, copyright, photography
Seeded by Benno Hansen
Advertise | AdChoices

Amateur Photographer magazine has published an interesting story about a copyright infringement case of similar, but not directly copied, images. The issue of copyright is thorny, contentious and often misunderstood but this case sheds some light on the current attitude of courts in the UK. Despite significant differences between the two images (there was no implication that the second image was a duplicate of the first), the court found that the second image copied substantially from the 'intellectual creation' of the first (that is the elements that can be protected by copyright in the original image, including a consideration of the composition, lighting and processing of the image).

  • Enjoy this article? Help vote it up the 'Vine.

Published to:

  • Benno Hansen's Column, All of Newsvine
  • Groups: Crime and Punishment, GeekVine, Science And Technology
  • Regions: none
  • Public Discussion (12)
daMamma

While there are minor similarities within the two photographs, I would not call the compositions the same. I don't see a copyright infringement here. Is the judge on crack?

In other words is it now a copyright infringement to take a photograph of this street? After all, some photographer took one then had it copy-written.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:21 PM EST
Kyle-2710718

WTF?

I have stood on, or very damn close to both of those spots and snapped many similar photos.

Are the greedy bastards going to come after me too?

This is beyond ridiculous!

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:00 PM EST
Reply
etva

I totally disagree with the concept that someone can copyright a composition "idea."

  • 8 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:24 PM EST
Mrs D-1475814

Absolutely agree!

  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:51 PM EST
Reply
Lebowsky

Hello Benno in Denmark

That is just going to be a mess, totally disagree with the judge. Think of a personal photo versus a photo of the same person taken by another.

The copyright should only apply to that specific photo and the use of by others different from the owner. <--- The period to the left is the most important part :o)

Lebowsky in Florida

  • 6 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:35 PM EST
HollyKl

While I can see the conceptual similarity between the two images, the most I would say is that one may have been inspired by the other. I can't see this as a copyright infringement. I can't imagine trying to enforce copyright law based on this type of ruling. It is far too ambiguous.

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:07 PM EST
Yeah, right!

Of course there's a "conceptual similarity!"

But, you're right that the problem lays in the fact that maybe- just maybe, the second guy happened across the same type of idea on his own without any kind of input from anyone else. ('Great minds think alike")

Problem with this ruling is: what does that mean for all of those "second guys" then?

Good gods! It happened with Calculus (Leibniz vs Newton) for crying out loud- anyone taking any odds on it never happening for anything else?

The worst part is that guess who's mathematical notation is the more common today. (groan).

I may not pirate or agree with it but, you know, it's things like this that makes me sympathize with them a little more every day...

Morons.... (the judges- not you Holly).

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:25 AM EST
HollyKl

I know what you mean, Yeah, right!

  • 1 vote
#4.2 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:53 PM EST
Reply
ombra

This is an idiotic ruling. Does this mean every photograph has to be of something completely different? I guess all landmarks will be out of bounds then, they've been photographed every wa from every angle thousands of times. How about movies, music, paintings? Styles are imitated, and that's how people learn.

  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:39 PM EST
Ben Josephs

Without reading the entire ruling, it appears the judge ruled in this way because the photographer, with the "original" image in mind, specifically set out to shoot this scene to slap on tea packaging and sell more tea. However, it sets a dangerous precedent, IMO. This is a common London scene and technique: red bus and black and white Big Ben/Parliament. Fielder surely can't be credited with the scene or technique. I'd compare it to this photograph, which pretty much every photographer in the city of Minneapolis (including tourists) has taken - same location, same time lapse, same freaking hole in the bridge enclosure. If only one person is allowed to shoot that scene, that prevents me from taking that shot and stifles my creativity. Besides, what makes Fielder's composition unique is the staircase and bridge in the foreground, which obviously was not copied.

I'm inspired by the images of others all the time, while I don't necessarily "copy" the composition, there was one time where I felt like I copied too much of the composition and that made me feel sort of bad, especially when someone mistakenly pointed it out the "original" as mine:

halo deco vs Wells Fargo Tower

.. but again, this is a distinct building downtown and has been shot many a photographer.

  • 6 votes
Reply#6 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:55 AM EST
ombra

The ruling, as such, gives far too much credit for "inspirational" works of art and sets a very dangerous precedent, which if it stands, could come back and really bite them in the ass. The line between inspiration and copy would be gone and the lawsuits could multiply exponentially. This could pretty much destroy the concept of "fair use."

  • 4 votes
#6.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:16 AM EST
Reply
Lemon Friend

I'm wondering if anyone even bothered to read the article. The issue is not the photography itself, it is the postprocessing of the photo that is the copyright issue - the red bus, the monochrome cityscape, the white sky. The judge also took in consideration that Houghton was aware of Fielder's work; in other words, Houghton did not just happen to stumble across the same idea on his own.

Nowhere is one given the impression that copyright is being extended to the scene being shot. Go ahead, take all the pictures of famous buildings that you want - it won't be a copyright infringement.

  • 1 vote
Reply#7 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:04 AM EST
Leave a Comment:
You're in Easy Mode. If you prefer, you can use XHTML Mode instead.
You're in XHTML Mode. If you prefer, you can use Easy Mode instead.
(XHTML tags allowed - a,b,blockquote,br,code,dd,dl,dt,del,em,h2,h3,h4,i,ins,li,ol,p,pre,q,strong,ul)
Newsvine Privacy Statement
As a new user, you may notice a few temporary content restrictions. Click here for more info.
FUN STUFF:
  • Leaderboard |
  • E-Mail Alerts |
  • Top of the Vine |
  • Newsvine Live |
  • Newsvine Archives |
  • The Greenhouse |
COMPANY STUFF:
  • Code of Honor |
  • Company Info |
  • Contact Us |
  • Jobs |
  • User Agreement |
  • Privacy Policy |
  • About our ads
LEGAL STUFF:
  • © 2005-2012 Newsvine, Inc. |
  • Newsvine® is a registered trademark of Newsvine, Inc. |
  • Newsvine is a property of msnbc.com